1 00:00:07,099 --> 00:00:03,260 so what I want to regale you with today 2 00:00:11,390 --> 00:00:07,109 is a really an extension of Barbara's 3 00:00:13,459 --> 00:00:11,400 talk a footnote really if you will about 4 00:00:22,250 --> 00:00:13,469 the situation that we're really in and 5 00:00:24,890 --> 00:00:22,260 why so I'm going to slide through a few 6 00:00:27,830 --> 00:00:24,900 of these slides quickly because of the 7 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:27,840 time limitation and I will be just a 8 00:00:34,340 --> 00:00:29,730 Warren Yan will be reading two of them 9 00:00:37,100 --> 00:00:34,350 so that's just this necessary but we 10 00:00:42,020 --> 00:00:37,110 have a list of scientific mysteries here 11 00:00:46,910 --> 00:00:42,030 and I've organized them somewhat 12 00:00:49,279 --> 00:00:46,920 randomly we have in particular very 13 00:00:52,670 --> 00:00:49,289 unusual in this year eclipse and nominal 14 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:52,680 anomalies and right outside that door 15 00:00:58,639 --> 00:00:55,530 into your left you will see a pendulum 16 00:01:01,790 --> 00:00:58,649 that relates to that and relates to the 17 00:01:03,830 --> 00:01:01,800 workshop on Sunday which I highly urge 18 00:01:06,350 --> 00:01:03,840 you to read about at the very back of 19 00:01:09,469 --> 00:01:06,360 your program because it's really going 20 00:01:13,580 --> 00:01:09,479 to be a unique and fascinating thing 21 00:01:18,530 --> 00:01:13,590 that ties into a one-time amazing 22 00:01:21,620 --> 00:01:18,540 eclipse on the 21st of August through 23 00:01:25,730 --> 00:01:21,630 the United States so just as a tip for 24 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:25,740 that we have we have met mysteries 25 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:38,359 involving how we can heal how we how our 26 00:01:46,340 --> 00:01:43,250 bodies interact with the world 27 00:01:53,030 --> 00:01:46,350 mysteries involving things we shouldn't 28 00:01:59,660 --> 00:01:53,040 be able to do or see or know mysteries 29 00:02:04,280 --> 00:01:59,670 that defy classification and I divide 30 00:02:05,820 --> 00:02:04,290 them into that our field is to expand 31 00:02:08,460 --> 00:02:05,830 the boundaries in three 32 00:02:10,859 --> 00:02:08,470 areas what can be perceived or 33 00:02:13,890 --> 00:02:10,869 experienced or imagined what can be 34 00:02:17,670 --> 00:02:13,900 altered by intention what can be learned 35 00:02:19,980 --> 00:02:17,680 about anomalous experiences so I've kind 36 00:02:22,950 --> 00:02:19,990 of classify them that way what can be 37 00:02:26,010 --> 00:02:22,960 perceived you have ESP or from of 38 00:02:31,860 --> 00:02:26,020 viewing clairvoyance dowsing near-death 39 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:31,870 experiences and UFOs and alien abduction 40 00:02:40,410 --> 00:02:34,090 also have to do with how we perceive 41 00:02:42,630 --> 00:02:40,420 things what can be altered by intention 42 00:02:45,150 --> 00:02:42,640 we should not be able to alter the 43 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:45,160 things that can be altered by just 44 00:02:51,780 --> 00:02:49,530 intention and there's non human 45 00:02:57,020 --> 00:02:51,790 intention involved in post-mortem 46 00:03:03,860 --> 00:03:00,240 and finally what can be learned about 47 00:03:08,340 --> 00:03:03,870 the way we experience these anomalous 48 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:08,350 the study of first-person inquiry the 49 00:03:13,710 --> 00:03:09,970 study of altered states of consciousness 50 00:03:16,590 --> 00:03:13,720 of paranormal belief what causes someone 51 00:03:18,479 --> 00:03:16,600 to believe and experience in this what 52 00:03:21,330 --> 00:03:18,489 happens when someone is traumatized and 53 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:21,340 suddenly these these abilities get 54 00:03:29,640 --> 00:03:25,570 clicked on turns on and we have a 55 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:29,650 variety of centers for this work the 56 00:03:35,370 --> 00:03:32,050 ones in white are the ones that are no 57 00:03:38,250 --> 00:03:35,380 longer with us including Yale and of 58 00:03:41,070 --> 00:03:38,260 course pear the Ryan Research Center at 59 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:41,080 Duke the first one I was there while it 60 00:03:47,130 --> 00:03:42,130 was still in operation 61 00:03:49,949 --> 00:03:47,140 and a number of these are really pretty 62 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:49,959 pretty weak in terms of an ability to 63 00:03:58,170 --> 00:03:55,570 conduct original research and ours is 64 00:04:00,270 --> 00:03:58,180 really really the strong one here and we 65 00:04:00,750 --> 00:04:00,280 don't really know what the Department of 66 00:04:02,699 --> 00:04:00,760 Defense 67 00:04:04,289 --> 00:04:02,709 is doing although me maybe John 68 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:04,299 Alexander can tell us something about 69 00:04:13,819 --> 00:04:08,290 them so so this is what it's kind of 70 00:04:17,930 --> 00:04:13,829 down to and so the question I have is 71 00:04:25,050 --> 00:04:17,940 why does mainstream scientists tell us 72 00:04:27,629 --> 00:04:25,060 close that door and so again the one I 73 00:04:29,490 --> 00:04:27,639 was going to read in contemplating these 74 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:29,500 mysteries what seems equally mysterious 75 00:04:34,830 --> 00:04:32,050 is the accountable lack of official 76 00:04:38,700 --> 00:04:34,840 interest in the event investigation of 77 00:04:40,770 --> 00:04:38,710 such anomalous phenomena anomalous wide 78 00:04:49,980 --> 00:04:40,780 because they cannot be accounted for by 79 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:49,990 the prevailing model of reality what 80 00:04:55,050 --> 00:04:53,050 keeps such phenomena from being 81 00:05:02,600 --> 00:04:55,060 universally deemed among the most 82 00:05:09,570 --> 00:05:06,600 there's a scale there's a continuum and 83 00:05:12,659 --> 00:05:09,580 it starts this is a cartoon 84 00:05:16,140 --> 00:05:12,669 representation see here we have 85 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:16,150 sociology at the far end sociology is 86 00:05:21,060 --> 00:05:18,490 just applied psychology but psychology 87 00:05:23,700 --> 00:05:21,070 is just apply biology but biology is 88 00:05:27,870 --> 00:05:23,710 just applied chemistry which is just 89 00:05:32,870 --> 00:05:27,880 applied physics way over here Oh 90 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:32,880 mathematics and so that the idea of that 91 00:05:45,750 --> 00:05:39,970 that continuum is extends to more than 92 00:05:48,930 --> 00:05:45,760 Lauren something softer and softer ways 93 00:05:53,670 --> 00:05:48,940 of looking at learning and so we have 94 00:05:57,510 --> 00:05:53,680 soft humanities sliding toward the real 95 00:06:00,860 --> 00:05:57,520 thing right hard science objective 96 00:06:04,890 --> 00:06:00,870 third-person data-driven quantitative 97 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:04,900 double-blind randomized also naive 98 00:06:21,550 --> 00:06:16,390 the justification is that hard science 99 00:06:25,209 --> 00:06:21,560 yields deep facts and grants soft 100 00:06:30,450 --> 00:06:25,219 humanities yields opinion and the 101 00:06:35,339 --> 00:06:30,460 imaginary hard science yields salvific 102 00:06:38,260 --> 00:06:35,349 it's our Savior soft humanities yields 103 00:06:44,140 --> 00:06:38,270 intellectual property to be sold through 104 00:06:48,879 --> 00:06:44,150 iTunes what is science as we know it a 105 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:48,889 set of methods a set of findings and a 106 00:06:58,390 --> 00:06:50,930 set of ethical principles that's what 107 00:07:03,480 --> 00:06:58,400 science is what is it not it's not a 108 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:03,490 belief system that relies on unwarranted 109 00:07:10,089 --> 00:07:07,250 presuppositions and unacknowledged it is 110 00:07:12,629 --> 00:07:10,099 not a filter to establish a boundary 111 00:07:17,610 --> 00:07:12,639 between what should or shouldn't be 112 00:07:21,700 --> 00:07:17,620 explored and it is not the possession of 113 00:07:26,589 --> 00:07:21,710 gatekeepers and priests who control 114 00:07:28,839 --> 00:07:26,599 careers and funding now I'm going to 115 00:07:30,730 --> 00:07:28,849 talk a little bit about what controls 116 00:07:33,869 --> 00:07:30,740 all this and I think of it as a tower 117 00:07:37,029 --> 00:07:33,879 the metaphor in my mind for the regnant 118 00:07:41,890 --> 00:07:37,039 paradigm which we've all heard about for 119 00:07:46,839 --> 00:07:41,900 50 years from Thomas Kuhn is I think of 120 00:07:51,730 --> 00:07:46,849 it as a tower towering over us and it's 121 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:51,740 that regnant paradigm is what I call a 122 00:07:57,189 --> 00:07:55,610 mimetic system and I'm going to go 123 00:07:59,980 --> 00:07:57,199 through this quickly because many of you 124 00:08:03,269 --> 00:07:59,990 are familiar with meme theory in general 125 00:08:06,189 --> 00:08:03,279 memes are cultural forms that are 126 00:08:08,890 --> 00:08:06,199 perpetuated in a way parallel to or 127 00:08:12,879 --> 00:08:08,900 similar to Darwinian evolution of 128 00:08:15,700 --> 00:08:12,889 biological forms and in doing so they 129 00:08:21,010 --> 00:08:15,710 form systems and if they do so they 130 00:08:22,740 --> 00:08:21,020 survive better they do better and there 131 00:08:25,970 --> 00:08:22,750 are some of them that 132 00:08:30,030 --> 00:08:25,980 become so successful that they in effect 133 00:08:33,209 --> 00:08:30,040 appears to be parasitic on their hosts 134 00:08:36,270 --> 00:08:33,219 and we are their hosts the mimetic 135 00:08:39,779 --> 00:08:36,280 organism is an in that for example an 136 00:08:43,350 --> 00:08:39,789 ideology that convinces you to give up 137 00:08:45,780 --> 00:08:43,360 your life or give up your family or give 138 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:45,790 up something really precious give up 139 00:08:54,830 --> 00:08:50,050 your soul it operates like an organism 140 00:09:01,080 --> 00:08:54,840 that seeks to flourish and its hosts 141 00:09:04,380 --> 00:09:01,090 expense and it has a life cycle it 142 00:09:07,430 --> 00:09:04,390 starts you know at the end at the bottom 143 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:07,440 here we call it a cult or a movement 144 00:09:12,990 --> 00:09:10,810 right now we have the trunk cult for me 145 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:13,000 you know we're so blessed to serve you 146 00:09:21,660 --> 00:09:19,090 master then if it if it prospers if it 147 00:09:24,300 --> 00:09:21,670 defends itself if it continues to 148 00:09:30,390 --> 00:09:24,310 strengthen if it chokes off its rivals 149 00:09:32,540 --> 00:09:30,400 it becomes an ideology or a religion or 150 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:32,550 even a way of life 151 00:09:43,410 --> 00:09:38,490 and finally if it becomes completely 152 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:43,420 dominant we call it just the way things 153 00:09:56,670 --> 00:09:51,930 are it becomes invisible it disappears 154 00:10:00,180 --> 00:09:56,680 what was the what was the belief system 155 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:00,190 of the German people during the height 156 00:10:11,670 --> 00:10:06,730 of Nazi glory the way things are what 157 00:10:15,230 --> 00:10:11,680 was what was the ruling dominant 158 00:10:21,660 --> 00:10:15,240 paradigm to medieval village in Europe 159 00:10:23,739 --> 00:10:21,670 it was just the way things are if we 160 00:10:28,970 --> 00:10:23,749 discover new 161 00:10:32,749 --> 00:10:28,980 indigenous tribe what will we find they 162 00:10:35,269 --> 00:10:32,759 don't have a religion it's just the way 163 00:10:39,319 --> 00:10:35,279 things are the world is filled with 164 00:10:45,100 --> 00:10:39,329 spirits and taboo whatever that's just 165 00:10:47,389 --> 00:10:45,110 the way things are if that's the case 166 00:10:52,519 --> 00:10:47,399 could that apply to us 167 00:10:56,329 --> 00:10:52,529 could we be living under such a system 168 00:11:02,960 --> 00:10:56,339 such a memetic organism parasitic to 169 00:11:08,900 --> 00:11:02,970 humanity if it were true how would we 170 00:11:11,150 --> 00:11:08,910 know we could know because we would be 171 00:11:16,579 --> 00:11:11,160 able to spot a collection of related 172 00:11:19,429 --> 00:11:16,589 memes that's aggressively defended even 173 00:11:21,859 --> 00:11:19,439 though those dreams have no solid ground 174 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:21,869 they're not warranted they're 175 00:11:29,749 --> 00:11:25,410 unacknowledged presuppositions accepted 176 00:11:33,739 --> 00:11:29,759 as truth secondly they would have 177 00:11:38,710 --> 00:11:33,749 defenders that aggressively defend their 178 00:11:42,590 --> 00:11:38,720 right to control what we think and 179 00:11:46,989 --> 00:11:42,600 number three one or two of those related 180 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:46,999 memes which seems peripheral and 181 00:11:53,869 --> 00:11:50,730 insignificant but are actually essential 182 00:12:00,489 --> 00:11:53,879 to the entire system and what could they 183 00:12:03,889 --> 00:12:00,499 be those essential memes invalidate any 184 00:12:07,460 --> 00:12:03,899 possible ideological competitor so 185 00:12:11,809 --> 00:12:07,470 before the game even starts the regnant 186 00:12:15,189 --> 00:12:11,819 system has ruled out competition just 187 00:12:21,079 --> 00:12:15,199 the way a very successful biological 188 00:12:25,309 --> 00:12:21,089 entity might be able to do so three 189 00:12:29,119 --> 00:12:25,319 seemingly insignificant memes determined 190 00:12:31,500 --> 00:12:29,129 just the way things are number one the 191 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:31,510 physical is mostly real 192 00:12:39,500 --> 00:12:36,010 that's sorry just the way things up the 193 00:12:45,030 --> 00:12:39,510 non-physical is in the category of 194 00:12:47,670 --> 00:12:45,040 imagination creativity any limit on 195 00:12:51,420 --> 00:12:47,680 science and technology is intolerable 196 00:12:54,660 --> 00:12:51,430 in fact it threatens our very human 197 00:12:59,009 --> 00:12:54,670 nature which is to pursue the limitless 198 00:13:01,530 --> 00:12:59,019 without without reservation to conquer 199 00:13:04,189 --> 00:13:01,540 the physical universe and number three 200 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:04,199 the most peripheral the most to the side 201 00:13:12,329 --> 00:13:09,250 coincidence is meaningless right it's 202 00:13:14,579 --> 00:13:12,339 just a coincidence you know I don't care 203 00:13:17,420 --> 00:13:14,589 how many times you show me the anomaly 204 00:13:20,449 --> 00:13:17,430 the remote viewing three hundred times 205 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:20,459 doesn't matter it's just a coincidence 206 00:13:30,410 --> 00:13:26,130 the odds 30 billion to one synchronicity 207 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:30,420 three pairs in a row in that context 208 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:42,970 mystical in sense what is coincidence 209 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:47,250 it's random and in this belief system 210 00:13:55,309 --> 00:13:50,290 that means it's me because meaning 211 00:14:00,720 --> 00:13:55,319 cannot originate from randomness why 212 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:00,730 it's just the way things are why would 213 00:14:04,319 --> 00:14:02,290 you want to study why would any of us 214 00:14:10,410 --> 00:14:04,329 want to study things that are inherently 215 00:14:13,110 --> 00:14:10,420 meaningless superstitious and yet there 216 00:14:15,150 --> 00:14:13,120 is nothing within science that 217 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:15,160 determines that coincidence must be 218 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:18,490 meaningless that order cannot emerge 219 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:21,850 from randomness from picking up three 220 00:14:28,889 --> 00:14:23,610 pairs in a row when you're talking about 221 00:14:35,490 --> 00:14:28,899 the parents that's it that is a matter 222 00:14:36,820 --> 00:14:35,500 of faith now there are in my view three 223 00:14:40,329 --> 00:14:36,830 causative States 224 00:14:44,340 --> 00:14:40,339 there's determinism there's 225 00:14:48,579 --> 00:14:44,350 intentionality and there's randomness 226 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:48,589 which is neither one its unfriend 227 00:14:54,069 --> 00:14:52,370 earnest is unpredictable on an instance 228 00:14:56,170 --> 00:14:54,079 by instance basis when you throw that 229 00:15:00,340 --> 00:14:56,180 coin you don't know what it's gonna do 230 00:15:04,690 --> 00:15:00,350 the next time and yet over time we have 231 00:15:06,460 --> 00:15:04,700 faith that it will average out if I toss 232 00:15:10,449 --> 00:15:06,470 the coin a million times and it comes up 233 00:15:12,730 --> 00:15:10,459 heads all right that's not an anomaly 234 00:15:17,860 --> 00:15:12,740 just keep tossing until it comes up 235 00:15:21,870 --> 00:15:17,870 50/50 then you can stop that means that 236 00:15:25,389 --> 00:15:21,880 the only source of meaning is in tension 237 00:15:30,340 --> 00:15:25,399 and we are the only source of meaningful 238 00:15:33,190 --> 00:15:30,350 intention therefore only we create 239 00:15:36,329 --> 00:15:33,200 meaning there is no larger source 240 00:15:42,819 --> 00:15:36,339 greater source there's no underlying 241 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:42,829 field it's it's it's us thus the 242 00:15:49,420 --> 00:15:46,010 paradigm establishes humans in the place 243 00:15:52,750 --> 00:15:49,430 of God's the sole creators of meaning 244 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:52,760 the sole creators of truth itself this 245 00:15:58,690 --> 00:15:55,850 is the payoff from the regnant paradigm 246 00:16:02,440 --> 00:15:58,700 this is what it delivers to you you are 247 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:02,450 it you may be the cancer of this planet 248 00:16:11,740 --> 00:16:07,970 but you're the crown of creation to be 249 00:16:13,180 --> 00:16:11,750 as gods when did we start wanting to do 250 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:13,190 that I'll tell you where it first 251 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:20,690 appears Genesis 1 to be as gods that's 252 00:16:29,199 --> 00:16:24,250 the carrot the stick is what we feel 253 00:16:33,970 --> 00:16:29,209 when we apply for grants or recognition 254 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:33,980 or plausibility I suppose even these 255 00:16:40,030 --> 00:16:37,010 windows up here if you see over there 256 00:16:44,579 --> 00:16:40,040 the man pointing he's identified as 257 00:16:46,650 --> 00:16:44,589 science he's pointing to 258 00:16:51,389 --> 00:16:46,660 some sort of imperfection in her 259 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:51,399 argument she on the other hand is is us 260 00:17:00,780 --> 00:16:54,730 reaching out for acceptance for grant 261 00:17:04,049 --> 00:17:00,790 funding and this woman over here is 262 00:17:05,819 --> 00:17:04,059 straining to hear the announcements this 263 00:17:13,829 --> 00:17:05,829 is low by the way Louis Comfort Tiffany 264 00:17:19,230 --> 00:17:13,839 thank you well that's the payoff so let 265 00:17:21,390 --> 00:17:19,240 me summarize by saying in metaphor not 266 00:17:23,699 --> 00:17:21,400 in not I'm not saying literally there's 267 00:17:26,220 --> 00:17:23,709 a secret monster running our lives it's 268 00:17:30,360 --> 00:17:26,230 an alien force it's a metaphor 269 00:17:32,610 --> 00:17:30,370 I think this planet has been taken over 270 00:17:35,549 --> 00:17:32,620 by a nonhuman parasite for which 271 00:17:38,430 --> 00:17:35,559 humanity is the host and the agent and 272 00:17:43,890 --> 00:17:38,440 we call it the regnant paradigm that's 273 00:17:47,419 --> 00:17:43,900 what we're up against around this Idol 274 00:17:50,310 --> 00:17:47,429 or arrayed aggressions and defenses 275 00:17:53,940 --> 00:17:50,320 because it's competing successfully to 276 00:18:01,440 --> 00:17:53,950 maintain its exclusive dominance of our 277 00:18:05,310 --> 00:18:01,450 mind base just the way things are this 278 00:18:09,630 --> 00:18:05,320 metaphorical entity is in the process as 279 00:18:15,570 --> 00:18:09,640 I speak of sacrificing the entire 280 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:15,580 biosphere to its altar in exchange for a 281 00:18:23,820 --> 00:18:20,770 promise to be as gods any possible 282 00:18:29,070 --> 00:18:23,830 challenge is neutralized in advance as 283 00:18:32,190 --> 00:18:29,080 just meaningless going therefore I call 284 00:18:38,100 --> 00:18:32,200 it the cult of the meaningless qohen 285 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:38,110 sense the secret hidden invisible only 286 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:40,450 the emergence and detection of meaning 287 00:18:49,710 --> 00:18:43,090 from randomness and break the spell and 288 00:18:53,610 --> 00:18:49,720 break the tree so what we do is we 289 00:18:54,670 --> 00:18:53,620 encounter anomalies which are in the 290 00:19:01,470 --> 00:18:54,680 nature 291 00:19:04,810 --> 00:19:01,480 of twinners and throughout the ages 292 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:04,820 those coincidences have been what 293 00:19:10,060 --> 00:19:07,010 warrants belief systems 294 00:19:14,230 --> 00:19:10,070 what warrants religions what warrants 295 00:19:21,580 --> 00:19:14,240 ways of life are those anomalies those 296 00:19:26,310 --> 00:19:21,590 coins we maintain that coincidence can 297 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:26,320 be a source of meaning we maintain that 298 00:19:33,250 --> 00:19:44,220 thank you very much 299 00:19:53,030 --> 00:19:48,299 I see a certain problem with this 300 00:19:58,070 --> 00:19:53,040 objection to meaninglessness because I 301 00:20:01,799 --> 00:19:58,080 would argue that the the notion of 302 00:20:03,570 --> 00:20:01,809 meaningless events was is actually one 303 00:20:07,710 --> 00:20:03,580 of the most important scientific 304 00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:07,720 philosophical and moral advances of the 305 00:20:13,530 --> 00:20:11,370 last four hundred years that in 306 00:20:15,030 --> 00:20:13,540 traditional cultures and this is not 307 00:20:19,140 --> 00:20:15,040 just characteristic of Western history 308 00:20:22,650 --> 00:20:19,150 but all over the world when people are 309 00:20:25,799 --> 00:20:22,660 convinced that everything happens for a 310 00:20:28,409 --> 00:20:25,809 reason whatever anything bad happens 311 00:20:31,260 --> 00:20:28,419 they start looking for who made it 312 00:20:34,289 --> 00:20:31,270 happen oh my uncle got sick well where's 313 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:34,299 the witch who cursed him that I mean 314 00:20:39,539 --> 00:20:35,770 we're we're we're familiar with that 315 00:20:43,110 --> 00:20:39,549 from the 1600s in Europe but it is 316 00:20:47,810 --> 00:20:43,120 characteristic of cultures all over the 317 00:20:50,669 --> 00:20:47,820 world and I think that the notion that 318 00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:50,679 started to arise during the 319 00:20:55,860 --> 00:20:52,960 Enlightenment but only really took hold 320 00:20:59,100 --> 00:20:55,870 with the discovery of quantum mechanics 321 00:21:02,070 --> 00:20:59,110 in the 20th century that there are 322 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:02,080 events that have no causes and happen 323 00:21:11,070 --> 00:21:06,730 for no reason is is an important 324 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:11,080 cultural antidote to this urge to blame 325 00:21:19,470 --> 00:21:13,570 specific other people for anything bad 326 00:21:23,990 --> 00:21:19,480 that happens thank you of course 327 00:21:28,470 --> 00:21:24,000 randomness is an absolute necessity to 328 00:21:35,130 --> 00:21:28,480 double-blind you know to to Orthodox 329 00:21:40,409 --> 00:21:35,140 research it depends on random survey 330 00:21:43,220 --> 00:21:40,419 participants random polling the 331 00:21:46,740 --> 00:21:43,230 double-blind process is about randomness 332 00:21:48,570 --> 00:21:46,750 so the funny thing is that we that 333 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:48,580 that's where the meaning comes from if 334 00:21:52,409 --> 00:21:50,770 you remove the randomness from a 335 00:21:56,399 --> 00:21:52,419 double-blind experiment 336 00:21:58,109 --> 00:21:56,409 you lose the double blinds so so it's 337 00:22:00,840 --> 00:21:58,119 it's a very it's a weird you know 338 00:22:02,749 --> 00:22:00,850 randomness is weird and so on the one 339 00:22:05,629 --> 00:22:02,759 hand I agree with you on another hand 340 00:22:11,639 --> 00:22:05,639 science itself is saying it's meaningful 341 00:22:13,859 --> 00:22:11,649 in that way it's necessary I'm not sure 342 00:22:15,509 --> 00:22:13,869 exactly why we thought Hillary Clinton 343 00:22:18,029 --> 00:22:15,519 was going to win the presidency given 344 00:22:19,950 --> 00:22:18,039 the power of randomness but it failed us 345 00:22:30,900 --> 00:22:19,960 but anyway thank you for that 346 00:22:35,550 --> 00:22:33,210 I'm George chance James you've done a 347 00:22:38,460 --> 00:22:35,560 nice job of anticipating some of the 348 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:38,470 things I'm gonna say on Saturday thank 349 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:39,610 you very much 350 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:43,810 and I wanted to ask you about okay we've 351 00:22:50,370 --> 00:22:48,490 got this monster this cult and I want to 352 00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:50,380 see if maybe there's an Achilles heel 353 00:22:58,110 --> 00:22:54,640 and whether the Achilles heel is science 354 00:22:59,460 --> 00:22:58,120 itself and it has to do with the idea of 355 00:23:02,220 --> 00:22:59,470 when you sort of talked about the 356 00:23:06,180 --> 00:23:02,230 principles of science one of the things 357 00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:06,190 I didn't quite see there is you know 358 00:23:12,570 --> 00:23:09,600 science is trying to figure out what 359 00:23:15,690 --> 00:23:12,580 nature is telling us you know what the 360 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:15,700 world is telling us so yeah there are 361 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:17,770 paradigms that we impose and you know 362 00:23:22,830 --> 00:23:20,770 there's the kuhn idea of the paradigms 363 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:22,840 and all that stuff but but we're 364 00:23:30,510 --> 00:23:25,090 actually here a scientist to see what is 365 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:30,520 nature really telling us and if you look 366 00:23:36,330 --> 00:23:33,610 at the fragmentation that's taking place 367 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:36,340 in the frontiers of science the 368 00:23:45,540 --> 00:23:43,090 anomalies that are all over that it 369 00:23:48,540 --> 00:23:45,550 almost seemed like maybe if science 370 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:48,550 actually continues to pursue the 371 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:52,810 frontiers and those anomalies that the 372 00:23:59,730 --> 00:23:57,490 cult will end up being destroyed from 373 00:24:02,670 --> 00:23:59,740 within so I wanted to ask whether you 374 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:02,680 think that might be well Barbara was 375 00:24:10,380 --> 00:24:04,930 somewhat pessimistic about that after 376 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:10,390 six decades I think basically what I 377 00:24:17,490 --> 00:24:14,170 wanted to say is that this isn't just 378 00:24:20,370 --> 00:24:17,500 some set of policies or administrators 379 00:24:23,910 --> 00:24:20,380 that we're up against this is something 380 00:24:28,140 --> 00:24:23,920 really really deep in the culture that's 381 00:24:29,210 --> 00:24:28,150 taken things over and I think that I 382 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:29,220 think 383 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:32,010 you cited Coonan that's good too because 384 00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:35,770 it is possible that there will be a new 385 00:24:43,919 --> 00:24:41,289 openness as generation faces these 386 00:24:46,380 --> 00:24:43,929 problems and seeks answers in new and 387 00:24:53,279 --> 00:24:46,390 different places and seeks the roots of 388 00:24:59,120 --> 00:24:53,289 the situation we're sailing into so when 389 00:24:59,130 --> 00:25:05,510 enterprise you represented it in a limit 390 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:09,930 in in a linear fashion that started out 391 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:12,730 with the humanities or whatever and went 392 00:25:18,810 --> 00:25:15,330 over to the the queen of the sciences 393 00:25:21,659 --> 00:25:18,820 mathematics I just want to point out 394 00:25:24,930 --> 00:25:21,669 that maybe if we drew that as cyclical 395 00:25:26,700 --> 00:25:24,940 we would realize that mathematics itself 396 00:25:31,159 --> 00:25:26,710 is pure consciousness 397 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:31,169 there ain't no numbers out there it's a 398 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:34,450 it's a cognitive thing I'm not putting 399 00:25:38,750 --> 00:25:35,850 it down it's beautiful it's wonderful 400 00:25:42,029 --> 00:25:38,760 but it is a mental creation and 401 00:25:44,700 --> 00:25:42,039 therefore it should be at the beginning 402 00:25:52,649 --> 00:25:44,710 of that line rather than the end or as 403 00:26:02,070 --> 00:25:57,279 in 2010 we had a conference here we have 404 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:02,080 we brought in 80 of the top supposedly 405 00:26:07,570 --> 00:26:04,490 theologians philosophers and 406 00:26:14,460 --> 00:26:07,580 cosmologists to debate why is there 407 00:26:17,529 --> 00:26:14,470 anything we got a grant for that and 408 00:26:21,159 --> 00:26:17,539 there was only one thing that everybody 409 00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:21,169 agreed on and that is that mathematics 410 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:25,809 is a cognitive system but it Maps 411 00:26:32,980 --> 00:26:29,690 something that is platonic in the plate 412 00:26:35,009 --> 00:26:32,990 ina realm so I think that that your 413 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:35,019 point is very valid though that 414 00:26:41,289 --> 00:26:38,090 mathematics is considered yeah you know 415 00:26:44,110 --> 00:26:41,299 hard hard beyond hard science and yet 416 00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:44,120 it's completely metaphysical so I agree 417 00:26:47,670 --> 00:26:46,880 with your idea of the circle thank you